“The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”
you can complain all you want if you are a descendant of the western civilization chances are that you have in you DNA that comes from a successful rape. Rome was created by the kidnapping of the Sabine women and using them for breeding stock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Sabine_Women
I think that there were certain types of intelligences that were forced into the same genome by these marriages, that basically intelligence was forced into the human genome through these acts of rape and now that same intelligence is being slowly eradicated and removed by the judgements of women and feminine judgements in general.
Lynn: Wow, rape seems so bad it is difficult to see how it could ever be a positive thing or desirable or permissible even.
Joxua: That is because you are inducing the current environment in which survival is easy. If we lived in ancient times where survival was hard and everything was a struggle and everything sucked all of the time rape wouldn’t be considered such a bad thing. “What are you going to do Friday night Ethel?” “Oh, I don’t know, go down to the watering hole and drink some amoeba water and then starve from a lack of protein, I will probably get raped and maybe try to steal a piece of Grissel from one of those big assholes, what are you doing Lucy?” “probably the same, maybe if we stick together we won’t accidentally piss them off and get killed.” “sounds like a date.”
What you have to remember is that this environment that we live in, civilization, is not a natural environment, it is an unnatural environment. it is only because we have been so good at surviving that we were able to kill off and domesticate nature, and now our dominion over nature is becoming the cause of our demise. Too many stupid, greedy, arrogant, idiots that think that things can’t go back the way they were. They presuppose the existence of this environment when tomorrow we could be living in the stone ages again or worse. history doesn’t have a narrative that it needs to satisfy. If it did that would be evidence of a god. History is telling us a happy story with a happy ending? I don’t think so. History doesn’t subscribe to fairy tales. it is survival of the fittest not survival of the fanciful. Nature is not pleasant, it is not your friend, it is not rational, nature doesn’t care if you are a baby or a lady, it doesn’t care if you have a sweet face or a sexy ass, it doesn’t care if you are a feminist, or a lesbian, or a raw food vegan, nature is self interested and it wants what it wants and if you stand in the way of nature and nature can kill you, it will. Nature doesn’t give a single fuck about you and your judgements unless it has a reason to, unless your survival is attached to its own survival. Nature is perfectly rational in that it is self interested, and perfectly irrational in its treatment of the individual because from its perspective we are unnatural. Nature is a meritocracy of strength, speed, endurance, talent, intelligence, attentiveness and gumption. Nature is an environment that is prejudiced towards masculinity not femininity and not childishness. It is because of this unnatural environment in which we live that we have this false depreciation of masculinity.
Lynn: This reminds me of your term “survival data” and how all living things are “organic computers”. You said something once about how when a man rapes a woman it might be a way of treating her as an equal under a different paradigm or something to that affect do you remember that?
Joxua: Yes, I suggested that when a man rapes he might be treating a woman as an equal under masculine values. I came up with this concept when I was studying the inklings, a writing group made up of J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis. I am not sure which one of them said it but they were raised in an all boy school and they remarked that they hated these certain bullying behaviors that were made by the older boys, known as “fagging” and “tarting” in which boys would humiliate other boys by forcing them to do sexual things or they would offer sexual favors as a form of currency. I immediately thought about how men behave in prisons. I thought it would be interesting if this was a natural emergent property of men being isolated and separated from women. I then began to compare it to the value system of ancient Greece and Rome when they were more masculine dominant before their decline. A masculine value system appreciates strength, skill in combat, speed, and rewards this dominant behavior. From the perspective of pure unadulterated masculinity the rapist has earned his bounty.
This same value system existed in early combat as well. It is interesting because many anti theists try to conflate the bibles mentioning of kidnapping and raping women with the existence of the practice, as though the bible being aware of the practice god had somehow sanctioned and created it. This is delusional, conflationary thinking, correlation is not causation and quite frankly if you want to compete you have to be relevant. If the enemy is sacking your kingdoms and carrying off your women and making more soldiers to attack you and carry off your women how are you going to confront that? Your possessions and your people are going to dwindle and you are going to die. So, it was common practice, it was just part of war, you are the victor you get the spoils, if you want another wife you can have her. It is a meritocracy of military prowess, of masculine virtue.
Lynn: Interesting, you had mentioned that rape was quite possibly a recurring theme in our history and caused hybridization and cultural revolution. Could you please tel us something about that?
Joxua: India originally had only one deity and it was a female one, Lakshmi, all of the other deities in the Indian pantheon were invasive deities. It is said that India was invaded by northern tribes and I suspect that those tribes were possibly viking like and had some manner of connection with the Celts in Ireland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gundestrup_antlered_figure.jpg
There are some interesting artifact that show reverence for a shiva-esque figure known are Kern or kernunnos that looks very much like pashupati the form of shiva that governs animals kind of like a tarzan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shiva_Pashupati.jpg
It is also of interest that India is for the most part vegetarian and eats meat very sparingly, I suspect that these invaders were eventually and slowly weeded out but not without leaving there permanent mark. I think they were essentially exiled over time and forced to move west, I think they were an offshoot of the aghori sect and they became the cult of the augures that worshipped Jupiter and was part of the minoan pre-Greek culture. interestingly enough the created the concept of authority and our entire philosophical, legal, and political structures and even our religious ideas are based on the philosophy of their cult.
The invasion was not entirely bad, there is a comparison of conquest to contribution that is often invoked. Some people say that we don’t historically remember people that don’t contribute anything in their conquest and we do indeed remember this group. They brought an explosion of creativity, curiosity, intelligence, art, literature, experimentation, and thought to the area. They broke people out of their routine, got them to expand their sense of self, to enrich themselves.
Lynn: Fascinating stuff. i believe you were suggesting that their might have even been a period where acts of rape actually created what we now know as human beings.
Joxua: Yes, it is well documented now that the neanderthals and cro magnon interbred for the most part but there is still a place on earth where
people are 100% cro magnon and are not at all hybridised as is the case for most humans on earth and that place is Africa. All people that are not native born to Africa are part neanderthal. http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm
I don’t know why we would assume that the marrying of these two genomes of proto-humans would be peaceful and rational happening through Socratic dialogue and under the auspices of reasoned conversation, it seems more than likely that is a fantasy we tell ourselves for our own mental comfort. I am not saying that it was all rape, but it was probably, initially mostly rape. If you think about these two cultures meeting for the first time you imagine that there would be contempt and disgust and curiosity. Much as Africans were treated as a curiosity in the western world and thought of as some manner of animal for the longest time, this same mentality probably was probably common then.
I believe in THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH, which might be the oldest text known to man, there is a story of meeting a creature that would free the animals from the traps that were set to procure food, and it was described as an animal that looked peculiarly human.
“The gods heard their lament, the gods of heaven cried to the Lord of Uruk, to Anu the god of Uruk: ‘A goddess made him, strong as a savage bull, none can withstand his arms. No son is left with his father, for Gilgamesh takes them all; and is this the king, the shepherd of his people? His lust leaves no virgin to her lover, neither the warrior’s daughter nor the wife of the noble. When Anu had heard their lamentation the gods cried to Aruru, the goddess of creation, ‘You made him, O Aruru; now create his equal; let it be as like him as his own reflection, his second self; stormy heart for stormy heart. Let them contend together and leave Uruk in quiet.’
So the goddess conceived an image in her mind, and it was of the stuff of Anu of the firmament. She dipped her hands in water and pinched off clay, she let it fall in the wilderness, and noble Enkidu was created. There was virtue in him of the god of war, of Ninurta himself. His body was rough, he had long hair like a woman’s; it waved like the hair of Nisaba, the goddess of corn. His body was covered with matted hair like Samugan’s, the god of cattle. He was innocent of mankind; he knew nothing of the cultivated land.
Enkidu ate grass in the hills with the gazelle and lurked with wild beasts at the water-holes; he had joy of the water with the herds of wild game. But there was a trapper who met him one day face to face at the drinking-hole, for the wild game had entered his territory. On three days he met him face to face, and the trapper was frozen with fear. He went back to his house with the game that he had caught, and he was dumb, benumbed with terror. His face was altered like that of one who has made a long journey. With awe in his heart he spoke to his father: ‘Father, there is a man, unlike any other, who comes down from the hills. He is the strongest in the world, he is like an immortal from heaven. He ranges over the hills with wild beasts and eats grass; the ranges through your land and comes down to the wells. I am afraid and dare not go near him. He fills in the pits which I dig and tears up-my traps set for the game; he helps the beasts to escape and now they slip through my fingers.’ “
Lynn: Incredibly insightful! I feel like we have exhausted this topic and we should probably not let it run on and bleed over into your other insights so I think we will stop here. Thank you for your participation.
Joxua: You’re welcome.