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Origins of Western Philosophy, Rabbi Ba’al Shivah

A huge help in putting together my theories was the work of Okko Behrends.  What I do is I look for the movement of ideas, words, philosophies, processes, practices (praxis) from one culture to another over time.  These create rhetorical tautologies or identical patterns.  Some cultures adopt and keep those patterns because of an affinity and others do not.

Frankly I think that the Augur’s of Pre-Greek Minoan cult were originally from India and in India I believe they were called the Aghori.

The Aghori (Sanskrit: अघोरaghōra)[2] are asceticShaivasadhus.

The Aghori in Shaivism.

The Aghori are known to engage in post-mortem rituals. They often dwell in charnel grounds, have been witnessed smearing cremationashes on their bodies, and have been known to use bones from human corpses for crafting skull bowls (which Shiva and other Hindu deities are often iconically depicted holding or using) and jewelry. Due to their practices that are contradictory to orthodox Hinduism, they are generally opposed.[3][4]

Many Aghori gurus command great reverence from rural populations as they are supposed to possess healing powers gained through their intensely eremitic rites and practices of renunciation and tápasya. They are also known to meditate and perform worship in haunted houses.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori

8 minutes in Behrend’s defines Auctoritatus as a form of authority not based on force but based on reason, what I refer to as Sapiential Authority.

In ancient Rome, Auctoritas referred to the general level of prestige a person had in Roman society, and, as a consequence, his clout, influence, and ability to rally support around his will. Auctoritas was not merely political, however; it had a numinous content and symbolized the mysterious “power of command” of heroic Roman figures.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auctoritas#Auctoritas_principis

28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.  Matthew 7


44 minutes okko quotes cicero

Auctoritas is determined by it’s good results and it’s success and by the merit of reason.  The High priest of the Augure’s didn’t create the law, he didn’t manufacture it, he expounded the law that already existed in the universe the Law that governed success.  They were readers of omens, signs, and portents.

The augur was a priest and official in the classical world, especially ancient Rome and Etruria. His main role was the practice of augury, interpreting the will of the gods by studying the flight of birds: whether they are flying in groups or alone, what noises they make as they fly, direction of flight and what kind of birds they are. This was known as “taking the auspices.” The ceremony and function of the augur was central to any major undertaking in Roman society—public or private—including matters of war, commerce, and religion.

The Roman historian Livy stresses the importance of the augurs: “Who does not know that this city was founded only after taking the auspices, that everything in war and in peace, at home and abroad, was done only after taking the auspices?”[1]  


It was also antithetical to tyranny. At 14 minutes tyranny = kingship.  The Augur, much like the president is supposed to be, (I am glaring at you Obama) is not above the law, they are also under the law.  This isn’t from Okko Behrends, but notice how to Remus was not chosen as the first king of Rome because he lived on Aventine hill which was full of “inauspicious birds”.  The reason the birds were present was because Aventine hill was used for the disposal of garbage and dead bodies, remember if you will that the Aghori also live in grave yards.

Roman augurs were part of a collegium of priests who shared the duties and responsibilities of the position. At the foundation of the Republic in 510 BC, the patricians held sole claim to this office.

Augury sought the divine will regarding any proposed course of action which might affect Rome’s pax, fortuna and salus (peace, good fortune and wellbeing).[2] Political, military and civil actions were sanctioned by augury, historically performed by priests of the college of augurs and by haruspices on behalf of senior magistrates.

According to Cicero, the auctoritas of ius augurum included the right to adjourn and overturn the process of law: consular election could be – and was – rendered invalid by inaugural error. For Cicero, this made the augur the most powerful authority in the Republic.

In ancient Rome the auguria were considered to be in equilibrium with the sacra (“sacred things” or “rites”) and were not the only way by which the gods made their will known. The augures publici (public augurs) concerned themselves only with matters related to the state.

The jus augurale (augural law) was rigorously secret, therefore very little about the technical aspects of ceremonies and rituals has been recorded.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augur

Shiva Shakti - Maha Shivratri

If you examine the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra you will find that the deep intimate conversation between Shiva and Shakti about the nature of reality becomes the basis of philosophical and scientific reasoning.  It became the Sohbet of Rumi and Shams and before that it was the intimate conversations that Jesus had with his disciples and before that it was the discussion of the Rabbi’s discussing Torah, or the law of the universe among themselves.


This became the Parrhesia of the ancient Greeks:

Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, andbeliefs based on new or existing information.[1] It is closely associated with such characteristically human activities as philosophy, science, language, mathematics, and art, and is normally considered[by whom?] to be a definitive characteristic of human nature.[2] The concept of reason is sometimes referred to as rationality and sometimes as discursive reason, in opposition to intuitive reason.[3]

The field of logic studies ways in which human beings reason through argument.[6]

  • The original Greek term was “λόγος”logos, the root of the modern English word “logic” but also a word which could mean for example “speech” or “explanation” or an “account” (of money handled).[7]
  • As a philosophical term logos was translated in its non-linguistic senses in Latin as ratio. This was originally not just a translation used for philosophy, but was also commonly a translation for logos in the sense of an account of money.[8]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

In rhetoric, parrhesia is a figure of speech described as: to speak candidly or to ask forgiveness for so speaking.[1] There are three different forms of parrhesia. Parrhesia is its nominal form, is translated from Latin to English meaning “free speech”. Parrhesiazomai in its verbal form is to use parrhesia, and parrhesiastes is the one who uses parrhesia for example “one who speaks the truth”. [2] The term parrhesia first appears in Greek literature in Euripides and can be found and used in ancient Greek texts all throughout the end of the fourth century and during fifth century A.D. [3] The term is borrowed from the Greek παρρησία (πᾶν “all” and ῥῆσις “utterance, speech”) meaning literally “to speak everything” and by extension “to speak freely,” “to speak boldly,” or “boldness.” It implies not only freedom of speech, but the obligation to speak the truth for the common good, even at personal risk.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrhesia

and that became the sciences, the logy’s, or the logic of, teleology, biology, psychology, ecology, geology, etc.  Each logy would have a guru or teacher that specialized in that subject.  The entire western civilization evolved out of this process as well as the Western brain and the way western people think in general.  Our separation of powers, our checks and balances in the government, our sense of propriety, all of them came from the same place.

27 minutes: The name Augustus was chosen by Octavian chose the name Augustus the name of the High Priest of the Augure’s instead of the name Romulus the first king of Rome, he chose between the two names.

‘In my sixth and seventh consulships [28-27 BC], after I had extinguished civil wars, and at a time when with universal consent I was in complete control of affairs, I transferred the republic from my power to the dominion of the senate and people of Rome…After this time I excelled all in influence [auctoritas], although I possessed no more official power [potestas] than others who were my colleagues in the several magistracies.’ (Res Gestae Divi Augusti 34.1-3)[[1]]

46 minutes, the separation of powers, the leader can assume command of the military upon leaving the polis, but upon entering the polis must relinquish control of the millitary, (a legitimate leader must never use the military against his people).

Compare that with what President Obama recently did, is he giving power back to the people of the united states?  Is he more like Augustus or Julius Caesar?

In the exact sense, a tyrant is an individual who arrogates to himself the royal authority without having a right to it. This is how the Greeks understood the word ‘tyrant’: they applied it indifferently to good and bad princes whose authority was not legitimate. [Rousseau, “The Social Contract”]  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=tyrant

In a commentary of Oedipus I once read the author argued that Oedipus Rex should rightly have been called Oedipus Tyrannous because the original term didn’t have a negative meaning, it just meant popular ruler, Julius Caesar was very popular, he also was a usurper of the law.



You are about to use the moving the goal fallacy with yourself as the goal and we are going to have an argument of infinite regress where you refuse to believe what I have just told you no matter how often I support it with facts.  You are not a linguisitic philosopher, an analytical philosopher or a philologist, I am.  Moreover, I am correct.


The Symbols above is known as the hamsa, it originated in India and was associated with the Jains, who were the Janis mentioned in the story of Moses.  The name comes from the Hindu concept of Harmlessness known as Ahimsa, notice the similar phonology?

Ahimsa (Sanskrit: अहिंसा; IAST: ahiṃsā, Pāli:[1]avihiṃsā) is a term meaning ‘not to injure’. The word is derived from the Sanskrit root hiṃs – to strike; hiṃsā is injury or harm, a-hiṃsā is the opposite of this, i.e. cause no injury, do no harm.[2][3] Ahimsa is also referred to as nonviolence, and it applies to all living beings – including all animals – according to many Indian religions.[4]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa

The word itself derives from So Ham the inbreaths and outbreaths of Brahma if you are familiar with my work you know that I believe that Abraham and Brahma are one and the same, I am not the first or the only person who believes this.

Soham (सो ऽहम्so ‘ham[1]) is the Sanskrit for “I am He/That”. (See also: Tat Tvam Asi.)

When it applies to a person’s name, according to Vedic philosophy it means identifying oneself with the universe or ultimate reality. Some say that when a child is born it cries Koham-Koham which means Who am I? That is when the universe replies back Soham. You are the same as I am. It also stems from the Sanskrit word which means, “self pride.”

I am

“May [God] bless the lads, and let them carry my name, along with the name of my fathers, Abraham and Isaac. May they increase like fish in the land.” (Gen. 48:16)

The Talmud (Berachot 55b) explains that Joseph shared a special quality with fish:

“The fish in the waters are concealed by the water, and thus not susceptible to the Evil Eye. So too, the descendants of Joseph are not susceptible to the Evil Eye.” http://ravkooktorah.org/VAYEHI59.htm

Kabbalists such as myself know that “water” is a metaphor for Torah which is synonymous with the law of the Universe that is studied by rabbis, and augurs, and expounded.  Fish live in the water, so this zen like koan, which is so paradoxical is saying that the philosophers, the rational people need to be increased.  It is these philosophers who are protected from the evil eye.

The nounkohen is used in the Torah to refer to priests, both Jewish and non-Jewish, such as the Jewish nation as a whole,[1] as well as the priests (Hebrewkohanim) of Baal (2 Kings 10:19).

The Hebrew noun kohen is most often translated as “priest”, whether Jewish or pagan, such as the priests of Baal or Dagon, though Christian priests are referred to in Hebrew by the term komer (Hebrew כומר). The word derives from a Semitic root common, at minimum, to the Central Semitic languages; the cognateArabic wordكاهنkāhin means “soothsayer, augur, or priest“.






The Origin of the Western Philosophical System


So my theory which I feel confident will stand up to the criticism of science, haplo-groups and what have you is that essentially our entire western system of philosophy, religion, logic, science, every structure of legitimate authority comes from the Aghori cult of India.  Even the words that we use still hearken back to that ancient philosophical cult, that predated the Greek culture, the cult of the Augure’s.  I am not making this up, it is a known fact, you may not know it but that doesn’t make it any less true.  

In ancient RomeAuctoritas referred to the general level of prestige a person had in Roman society, and, as a consequence, his clout, influence, and ability to rally support around his will. Auctoritas was not merely political, however; it had a numinous content and symbolized the mysterious “power of command” of heroic Roman figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auctoritas

28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.  Matthew 7



I am a linguistic philosopher and a philologist, and I started noticing patterns in words that were related to one another or had similar or conjunct definitions.  This particular grouping of words is most meaningful because not only did it create the philosophy of reason and logic it created the philosophy behind all of the western structures of authority including science.  

The Aghori (Sanskritअघोर aghōra),[2] are ascetic Shaiva sadhus.

The Aghori are known to engage in post-mortem rituals. They often dwell in charnel grounds, have been witnessed smearing cremation ashes on their bodies, and have been known to use bones from human corpses for crafting skull bowls (which Shiva and other Hindu deities are often iconically depicted holding or using) and jewelry. Due to their practices that are contradictory to orthodox Hinduism, they are generally opposed.[3][4]

Pythagorus, name meant, “I am the Python”  and since the Python was a chthonic symbol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthonic) what he was saying was, “I am death.”  Jesus was similarly transliterated, when he said I am Adonai Sabaoth, he wasn’t saying that he was the lord of the Sabbath, he was saying he was the god of death.  


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, and beliefs based on new or existing information.[1] It is closely associated with such characteristically human activities as philosophysciencelanguage,mathematics, and art, and is normally considered to be a definitive characteristic of human nature.[2] The concept of reason is sometimes referred to as rationalityand sometimes as discursive reason, in opposition to intuitive reason.[3]

Reason or “reasoning” is associated with thinkingcognition, and intellect. Reason, like habit or intuition, is one of the ways by which thinking comes from one idea to a related idea. For example, it is the means by which rational beings understand themselves to think about cause and effecttruth and falsehood, and what is good or bad. It is also closely identified with the ability to self-consciously change beliefsattitudestraditions, and institutions, and therefore with the capacity for freedom and self-determination.[4]

According to Professor emeritus Okko Behrands, Octavian chose between one of two names, Romulus the first king of Rome, and Augustus the high priest of the cult of the Augure’s.  You will notice that we have 2 invasive months in our calendar, Julius and Augustus, the two roman rulers that marked the middle of the Pax Romana.  Furthermore, it threw off the numbering of the calendar months, instead of being in their proper places, Sapta, Octa, Nova, and Deca (September, October, November, and December), are 2 places removed from their correct position.  

I believe that the Agure’s were associated with Aventine hill on which Remus lived and he was not chosen for kingship of Rome because of the presence of inauspicious birds.  Auspicious that is another word that I should add to the list, Shiva is known as the Auspicious one.  The birds were carrion birds, omens of death, and as we know the Aghori would sleep in grave yards and were obsessed with death and philosophy the death of delusion and ignorance.  


Gymnosophists (Greek γυμνοσοφισταίgymnosophistai, i.e. “naked philosophers” or “naked sophists”)[1][2] is the name given by the Greeks to certain ancientIndian philosophers who pursued asceticism to the point of regarding food and clothing as detrimental to purity of thought (sadhus or yogis) and also even naked priests from Ethiopia.[2]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosophists

Remember if you will that the Gymnasium is where people were taught the philosophy or Greece and indoctrinated into society.  

A little more about Pythagorus:

 Aristippus explained his name by saying, “He spoke (agor-) the truth no less than did the Pythian (Pyth-),”


There is little direct evidence as to the kind and amount of knowledge which Pythagoras acquired, or as to his definite philosophical views. Everything of the kind mentioned by Plato and Aristotle is attributed not to Pythagoras, but to the Pythagoreans. Heraclitus stated that he was a man of extensive learning;[25] andXenophanes claimed that he believed in the transmigration of souls.[26] Xenophanes mentions the story of his interceding on behalf of a dog that was being beaten, professing to recognise in its cries the

voice of a departed friend.


Pythagorean theorem

 a^2 + b^2 = c^2.

While the theorem that now bears his name was known and previously utilized by the Babylonians and Indians, he, or his students, are often said to have constructed the first proof. 



Pythagoras was also credited with devising the tetractys, the triangular figure of four rows which add up to the perfect number, ten. As a mystical symbol, it was very important to the worship of the Pythagoreans who would swear oaths by it:

And the inventions were so admirable, and so divinised by those who understood them, that the members used them as forms of oath: “By him who handed to our generation the tetractys, source of the roots of ever-flowing nature.”

—Iamblichus, Vit. Pyth., 29
Aristotle claimed that the philosophy of Plato closely followed the teachings of the Pythagoreans,[78] and Cicero repeats this claim: Platonem ferunt didicisse Pythagorea omnia (“They say Plato learned all things Pythagorean“) Bertrand Russell, in his A History of Western Philosophy, contended that the influence of Pythagoras on Plato and others was so great that he should be considered the most influential of all Western philosophers.
Pythagoras became the subject of elaborate legends surrounding his historic persona. Aristotle described Pythagoras as a wonder-worker and somewhat of a supernatural figure, attributing to him such aspects as a golden thigh, which was a sign of divinity. According to Muslim tradition, Pythagoras was said to have been initiated by Hermes (Egyptian Thoth).[55] According to accounts of Aristotle and others, some ancients believed that he had the ability to travel through space and time and to communicate with animals and plants.[56]

Influence on esoteric groups

Pythagoras started a secret society called the Pythagorean Brotherhood devoted to the study of mathematics. This had a great effect on future esoteric traditions, such as Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, both of which were scientific/mystical groups dedicated to the study of mathematics/geometry and logical reasoning as opposed to religious dogma. Both Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism have claimed to have evolved out of the Pythagorean Brotherhood. 

jacob boehme tetractys…


Origins of the True Religion


Lynn: So you have this concept of the true religion and its movement through time and across continents.  Could you tell us something about that?

Joxua: Well, one of the many things that I do is philology which traces the movement of ideas from culture to culture.  My particular mind has an obscene ability of pattern recognition and I have digested a ton of general and specific occult philosophy.

What we think of as the true religion started in India and Tibet with the convergence of northern tribes with the Indian people who were previously a goddess worshiping society with a single deity.  With the invasion of the northern tribes the entire pantheon of Indian gods emerged with these meat eating, war mongering northern tribes came creative intelligence, they were smarter than average because of the extra protein.  They were exiled over time because of the ritual eating of meat which to this day is considered repugnant in India, the scent of singed flesh that is in the mostly vegetarian society.

horned altar

The forced exodus gave birth to what would become the Hebrews, they bore as their mask the horned altar on which the smell of burnt animal sacrifice was made to the gods.  As a stipend the priests of the cult ate of the animal flesh, based on the atonement of the atonement of the surrounding people seeking solace and forgiveness and blessing much as some monks today are supported by charity and offered blessing.  In India this sect was known as the Aghori and as their meat-eating ancestors were continually being pushed out there became fewer and fewer of the original Aghori but vestiges of their heritage still exist.  The “transgressive sacrality”, the eating of the portion carcass.  You will notice a distinct similarity between Brahman’s and Rabbis.  Some people believe, as I do, that Brahma was Abraham.  What I have seen in my meditations which is verified by occult Kaballistic literature is that Abraham, through his creative revolution basically caused a mutation which he passed onto his offspring, which was the ability to read.  People that are not directly or only related to Abraham has dyslexia.  Furthermore, you see distinct similarities between Brahmans and the Rabbis.  In the marriage unit, and the ritual separation of men from women and the perceived duties of each sex.


I have seen in my meditation that the pre-Greek Minoan cult of the augurs is actually the misplaced and exiled Aghori Shivists.  They worshiped Jupiter who became Zeus and every western philosophy that we have to this day comes from them.  Our very concept of authority was conceived by them.  The word “authority” itself hearkens back to their time.  The high priest did not create the law and he was subject to the law.  He was not above the law and we see the same pattern in the story of Moses.  Authority does not extend to creating an unjust or incorrect law.  The month of August is named after Octavian who chose between one of the two names as he assumed leadership of Rome.  Romulus, the first king of Rome or Augustus, meaning “honesty” after the high priest of the cult of the Augers.  Julius and Augustus, July and August, are invasive months in what was originally a ten-month Jewish calendar which is why our calendar ends with Septa, Octa, Nova, Deca.  Many words in our vocabulary have come to us from this tiny explosively successful cult.  Words such as auspicious, justice, authority, awesome, omen.

There was a period of time when wandering philosophers constantly left India, some of them ended up in China, like Domo, some of their teachings ended up in China, like Buddha, who realizing that the Chinese people were not ready for the full teaching of “no-self “, prepared them for it and then Naga Arjuna Buddha brought the full teaching of “no-self” six hundred years later, also from India.  Other if these wandering philosophers ended up in Greece.  There is a distinct mark of Indian philosophy in the writings of Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.  We see in the description of the prime-mover unmoved and the agency through which without acting he works his will on the world.  The beginnings of the holy trinity and the proper relationship between husband and wife.  We also see the explanation of Adam’s Rib, Adam, the Atma, or soul, is represented by the singular point or bindu and spanda represents Eve or the holy spirit or Adam’s rib- all of these exist in the OHM symbol.

According to Nicholas Roerich, and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Jesus went to India to study during the period of his life when he was missing just as Pythagorus studied in India.  Pith-Augory means “I am the python” which was a chthonic symbol.  Pythagorus was claiming to be death, just as Jesus did.  When he said he was Adonai Sabaoth just as the Aghori slept in graveyards as Shiva did.

Jesus was trying to bring the guru tradition to the west and he succeeded  in a way through the Catholic church but more so through Mary Magdalene and freemasonry, but the full teaching of the Christ never arrived here not until this moment.  The type of relationship that he was trying to spread, the philosophical brotherhood, the “philo-ish”, the fellowship, equality under reason, a family based on the philosophy of wisdom.  Jesus was a guru, a mahajagad guru.

I often wondered why I felt no connection to Jesus as an entity.  It wasn’t until I was given shakitpat initiation and felt the presence of Shiva, the Hindu god of death, that I could sense the presence of the Christ or rather I sensed the presence of Shiva in the Christ and then the Christ was alive to me.  Whereas before, he was dead and didn’t speak to me.

Moses found the Hebrew god YAWEH on Mt. Sinai which is curious because Sinai is the holy mountain of the god Sin, wholse symbol is the shamash, the secret sun of wisdom.  The middle candle on the 7 candled menorah is the Shamash.  The 7 candles represent the 7 chakras and the middle candle represents the “sushumna” or spine, the middle pillar.  I realized in meditation that the hand of fatima, or the Ahimsah which exists in Jewish tradition and Indian tradition is actually a stylized Shiva lingam, representing the male sexual energy, also referred to as the eye, ayin harsha, the eye of horus, is the protection from evil, jealousy and avarice, the “evil eye”.  In short, Jesus was an incarnation of Shiva.
After Jesus died, Mary Magdalene went to France and from France nine knights went to Solomon’s temple which was under Muslim control.  They dug under the temple knowing exactly where to dig and what they were looking for, the ark of the covenant, the word civilization has its root “chavalier” which is the French word for “knight”, from cavalier to calvary to caballeros we civilized the western world.  Men, knights, horse soldiers, but the true teachings of the Christ overtime were forgotten and lost.  And now they must be remembered and proper relationship must be remembered.  There is a correlation between the gypsies, the Romeny, and the way Jesus moved about the ancient world.  The Romeny were named after Rome just as the nickname “Rumi” is named after Rome.  Jesus spoke a language that no longer exists-Aramaic.  A language that was based on traveling to diverse areas.  The language was an amalgamation of other languages.  It was the Roman roads that allowed the true religion to spread.  Today the internet is the new Roman road.

In southern India, there is a group of people called the Lingayats, they wear shivalingams around their necks the way we wear crucifixes.  They reject all external authority.  They even used to reject the religious authority of the Brahmans.  They write poetry and each of them has a personal relationship with god, like the gnostics.  They interpreted omens, like the Aghors, believing that god is communicating to them for their life.  They do not judge what is good for other people and they only engage in equal democratic relationships not up-down authoritative relationships.  It reminds me of how Ghandi refused to acknowledge the salt ban during salt satiagraha.  Their Indian poetry reminds me of the revolutionary writings of Sri Aurobindo and  Rabindranath Tagore.  Every Lingayat has their own lingam, their own symbol which for them encapsulates god’s essence, just as Dante never had an experience with God until he saw Beatrice’s face.

The last word that Jesus spoke was “kalai” in Aramaic “it is accomplished” this word is too similar for me to the Sanskrit words Kālá and kalā  which have similar meaning signifying the end of time.  Jesus’ epitaph shouldn’t have been “king of the jews” it should have been “Iasus Nazarium Rex Philosophorum”

Even in Arthurian mysticism, in the grail quest, we see that they were trying to hand down the tradition, the philosophy, of the Aghors, Rex Quantum Rex Eternum, “The Once and Future King” and “Auctoritas” true authority, comes from God in the form of the law, logic and reason.  At the round table no position is greater than any other and everyone is equal under reason and reason is determined by success in relationship which is predetermined and immutable.  Its the law, the love and the light and rational behavior is determined by what is necessary for that relationship to succeed and not acting when you know you should is as egregious a sin or worse than doing something consciously wrong.  The dragons that kept on knocking down the castle wall, the red dragon and white dragon, the masculine and feminine energies.  The ida and the pingala symbolize aversion and indulgence.  Just as the sacraments that represent the body of Christ are red and white.  White representing the body and mind-aversion, the flesh and bread representing indulgence and pleasure.  It is interesting to note that in turning water into wine Jesus performed the signature miracle of the cult of Bacchus, the God of theater  the God of Ecstasy, taking something mundane and making it transcendental.  For the spirit to grow one mustn’t cling to the body, to the material, from the Gnostic perspective and the perspective of ancient Greek philosophers what we call life is actually death and what we think of as death is actually life.  The spirit is ensnared, enslaved by the flesh and the death of the body is the freeing of the spirit.  It is interesting to note that all Christians used to believe in reincarnation to solidify its authority to extract authority from people, the Catholic church got rid of this belief.  The symbol of the papacy are the keys to heaven barring your entrance to heaven which means that if you want to get to heaven you have to do what they say and remember there is no reincarnation cause people started committing suicide, the Catholic church made suicide an unforgivable sin that would immediately disqualify you from heaven.  In this way, they could send you to do things that you didn’t want to do that you would rather die instead of doing this is how they extracted authority from the individual and how they took God from the individual.

Lynn: Thank you Joxua for the awesome connections you made.  These are things that are pretty interesting to think about and meditate on and gives an all encompassing perspective that incorporates different religions.  I grew up learning about the “evil eye” or the “mati” in the Greek culture.  This was protection against the “evil eye” and also the concept of the Shiva lingam connected to the hand of Fatima and a different perspective of Jesus among many other interesting facts about myth.   Great interview.